In partnership with Siena College, The New York Times recently surveyed voters in six key swing states about the 2024 presidential election, which is one year away. (General Election Day in 2024 will be on Tuesday, November 5th).
The NYT and Siena found Donald Trump — who has been charged with inciting an insurrection against the United States — ahead of President Joe Biden in five out of the six states, with Biden holding onto a narrow lead only in Wisconsin:
The results show Mr. Biden losing to Mr. Trump, his likeliest Republican rival, by margins of four to ten percentage points among registered voters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Pennsylvania. Mr. Biden is ahead only in Wisconsin, by two percentage points, the poll found.
These are state-level polls in key swing states where the 2024 presidential election is expected to be decided, so they are worth scrutinizing, unlike the national polls that don’t offer a whole lot of value. Here are some thoughts from our team after reviewing the poll results that the NYT published. (We were much more interested in the data they shared than their take on it.)
Republican voters were oversampled in these polls
The word “oversampled” doesn’t appear in either Shane Goldmacher’s writeup of the poll results or Nate Cohn’s writeup. However, if you open the actual dataset, look through it, and read the endnotes, a key fact should become immediately apparent: Republican voters were oversampled in these polls.
It’s irresponsible of the NYT to not state this upfront in all of its coverage. This is an important design choice that they made, and it ought to be explained.
The New York Times and its partners had to do a bunch of weighting because of their decision to do oversampling. Here is their explanation, which is only in the endnotes, not in any of the stories they’ve written so far about the poll. It’s long:
Weighting — registered voters
The survey was weighted by The Times using the R survey package in multiple steps to account for the oversample of Republican voters.
First, the samples were adjusted for unequal probability of selection by stratum.
Second, the six state samples were weighted separately to match voter file-based parameters for the characteristics of registered voters by state.
The following targets were used:
- Party (party registration if available, else classification based on a model of vote choice in prior Times/Siena polls)
- Age (Self-reported age, or voter file age if the respondent refuses)
- Gender (L2 data)
- Race or ethnicity (L2 model)
- Education (four categories of self-reported education, weighted to match NYT-based targets derived from Times/Siena polls, census data and the L2 voter file)
- Marital status (L2 model)
- Home ownership (L2 model)
- State regions (NYT classifications by county or city)
- Turnout history (NYT classifications based on L2 data)
- Vote method in the 2020 elections (NYT classifications based on L2 data)
- Census block group density (A.C.S. 5‑Year Census Block Group data)
- City type (Nevada only, added based on a post-hoc analysis of the difference between the weighted sample and voter file parameters. The weight had no meaningful effect on the topline result.)
- Census tract educational attainment (Georgia only, added based on a post-hoc analysis of the difference between the weighted sample and voter file parameters. The weight had no meaningful effect on the topline result.)
Finally, the six state samples were balanced to each represent one-sixth of the sum of the weights.
Weighting — likely electorate
The survey was weighted by The Times using the R survey package in multiple steps to account for the oversample of Republican voters.
First, the samples were adjusted for unequal probability of selection by stratum.
Second, the first-stage weight was adjusted to account for the probability that a registrant would vote in the 2024 election, based on a model of turnout in the 2020 election.
Third, the six state samples were weighted separately to match targets for the composition of the likely electorate. The targets for the composition of the likely electorate were derived by aggregating the individual-level turnout estimates described in the previous step for registrants on the L2 voter file. The categories used in weighting were the same as those previously mentioned for registered voters.
Fourth, the initial likely electorate weight was adjusted to incorporate self-reported vote intention. The final probability that a registrant would vote in the 2024 election was four-fifths based on their ex ante modeled turnout score and one-fifth based on their self-reported intention, based on prior Times/Siena polls, including a penalty to account for the tendency of survey respondents to turn out at higher rates than nonrespondents. The final likely electorate weight was equal to the modeled electorate rake weight, multiplied by the final turnout probability and divided by the ex ante modeled turnout probability.
Finally, the six state samples were balanced to each represent one-sixth of the sum of the weights.
The NPI team did not see an explanation given for why Republican voters were oversampled, but we can guess why. It is understandable that the New York Times and Siena don’t want to make the mistake of underestimating Trump’s support, given some of the issues that have plagued polling in previous cycles.
If one of the newspaper’s research objectives was to do a deep dive into Republican voters’ views on the 2024 presidential race and key issues, then it would have made more sense, in our view, to do a separate research project focusing exclusively on Republican voters, even if would cost more.
Just how few progressive or partially progressive voters are in the sample? The percentages may surprise you
Most of the NYT’s coverage so far has focused on how Democratic and Democratic leaning respondents feel about Joe Biden’s reelection, as opposed to how Republican voters feel about Donald Trump or another Republican seeking the nomination, such as Ron DeSantis or Nikki Haley.
The crosstabs for these polls show that 75% of the respondents identify as very conservative, somewhat conservative, or “moderate” (which isn’t an ideology):
QUESTION: Do you consider yourself politically liberal, moderate, or conservative?
FOLLOW UP: (If liberal or conservative) Is that very or somewhat?
ANSWERS [ALL STATES]:
- Very liberal: 10%
- Somewhat liberal: 10%
- Moderate: 39%
- Somewhat conservative: 19%
- Very conservative: 17%
- Don’t know/Refused: 5%
Pollsters can’t know who is actually going to show up and vote next year, so they have to construct models to project what the universe of participating voters might be. And, as mentioned above, Republican voters were oversampled — on purpose. This required the NYT and its partners to do a bunch of weighting.
A whopping four-fifths of the total sample said they consider themselves something other than liberal, or refused to answer. 39% identified as “moderate” — a label that sounds good but doesn’t stand for anything — and 36% identified as conservative, nearly twice as many as those who said liberal.
Now, here are the party affiliation numbers:
QUESTION: Do you consider yourself a Democrat, a Republican, an independent or a member of another party?
ANSWERS [ALL STATES]:
- Democra: 30%
- Republican: 32%
- Independent: 30%
- Another part: 4%
- Don’t know / refused: 5%
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION: (If independent, another party, or don’t know on partisanship) And as of today, do you lean more to:
ANSWERS [ALL STATES]:
- The Democratic Party: 38%
- The Republican Party: 44%
- Don’t know / refused: 18%
COMBINED ANSWERS: Party identification and leaners
- The Democratic Party: 45%
- The Republican Party: 49%
- Don’t know/Refused: 7%
The decision to oversample Republicans and use weighting to account for that resulted in a more complex public opinion research project — one that is harder to evaluate and scrutinize. The NYT’s reporters and analysts should have stated upfront in their analysis that Republicans were oversampled.
They didn’t. That’s unacceptable.
Pennsylvania, Nevada, Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Michigan are all swing states where either party can win. Recent elections — in 2022, 2020, 2018, and 2016 — have demonstrated this. The New York Times’ newsroom and data team thought Republicans would be very dominant in the midterms, as we documented right here on The Cascadia Advocate a little over a year ago.
But the red wave that the NYT’s people thought was coming did not materialize. Republicans did just well enough to get a slim majority in the U.S. House but failed to flip the Senate. Republicans lost gubernatorial races in four of the six swing states mentioned above (Pennsylvania, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Michigan) as well as control of the Legislature in Michigan and the Pennsylvania House.
It should be noted that the New York Times and Siena College have a decent reputation. For instance, their WA-08 polling in 2018 was on the mark, showing slight leads for Democratic hopeful Kim Schrier (who won), while local firm Elway Research got it wrong, finding a significant lead for Dino Rossi (who lost).
But even if this polling is on the mark and does reflect the current dynamics, it’s vital to remember the old saying that polls are snapshots in time. They are not predictive, and can’t be. At best, they can be suggestive, but the data can only be useful if the questions are neutral and the samples properly representative.
We can’t know if the weighted samples in these battleground state polls reflect the electorate that’ll turn out next year. Our team doesn’t think it’s possible to make even an educated guess about who’ll show up at this juncture, not even with the best available software, sources of data, and poll design expertise.
Speaking of problematic media coverage…
The mass media is failing Americans at an incredibly critical juncture for American democracy
America is a country of over 335 million people — the third most populous in the world after India and China. There’s no way that any U.S. president can have personal relationships with even a millionth of the people that they represent. What Americans see and hear about the Biden-Harris administration is therefore determined in large part by the mass media, which nowadays has very concentrated ownership, meaning just a few companies own most of the media.
By any objective standard, much of the media is doing a terrible, awful, horrible job of covering politics and keeping Americans informed about what really matters. Folks like James Fallows and Jay Rosen regularly point this out. Political coverage has become very shallow and ratings driven, written by reporters looking primarily through the prism of who’s winning and who’s losing. Sensationalism is in, substance is out — and it’s been that way for a long time.
We can see the consequences of the fourth estate’s descent into absurdity in these poll results. Consider the following set of questions and responses from the poll, which ask about Biden and Trump’s policies:
QUESTION: Do you think Joe Biden’s policies have helped you personally or hurt you personally?
ANSWERS [VOTERS IN ALL SWING STATES]:
- Helped: 35%
- Hurt: 53%
- Don’t know/Refused: 12%
INDEPENDENTS ONLY:
- Helped: 32%
- Hurt: 53%
- Don’t know/Refused: 14%
QUESTION: Do you think Donald Trump’s policies have helped you personally or hurt you personally?
ANSWERS [VOTERS IN ALL SWING STATES]:
- Helped: 51%
- Hurt: 34%
- Don’t know/Refused: 14%
INDEPENDENTS ONLY:
- Helped: 52%
- Hurt: 32%
- Don’t know/Refused: 16%
53% of respondents said Biden’s policies have hurt them. That’s objectively nonsensical: Biden has requested from Congress and signed into law a long list of bills to help most Americans. For example, the Inflation Reduction Act is finally allowing Medicare to negotiate the price of prescription drugs. The American Rescue Plan reduced child poverty with the Child Tax Credit. The administration is using its authority under existing law to try to forgive student loan debt.
And so on.
But other polling has showed Americans simply don’t know about these things.
In the absence of that knowledge, voters are drawing conclusions based on what is being said about Biden rather than what Biden has actually done.
Meanwhile, voters responded favorably when asked about Donald Trump’s policies, despite those policies having been incredibly destructive.
Perception and reality have become extremely disconnected. The mass media might not deserve all of the blame for that, but they certainly deserve a lot.
“Americans have heard the most about the Biden administration lowering
prescription drug costs, ramping up clean energy, and investing in infrastructure,
but even on these accomplishments, fewer than three in five Americans have
heard about each one,” Navgiator reported last month.
“Communicating around Biden’s accomplishments improves his net job approval
rating by double digits, especially among people unfavorable to both Biden and
Trump, younger Americans, and college-educated women.”
The key takeaway: Once voters learn about what Biden and Harris have gotten done, they become more enthusiastic about supporting the ticket in 2024.
Based on what has been published so far (most of the script was released, but not all of it) the New York Times and its research partners apparently didn’t test the popularity of specific policies and then revisit the question of whether people feel Biden’s policies have helped or hurt them. We would have been interested in seeing the effect of voters learning about Biden and Harris’ actual record.
Here’s another set of questions and responses:
QUESTION: Do you think Joe Biden has the mental sharpness to be an effective president?
ANSWERS [VOTERS IN ALL SWING STATES]:
- Yes: 35%
- No: 62%
- Don’t know/Refused: 3%
QUESTION: Do you think Donald Trump has the mental sharpness to be an effective president?
ANSWERS [VOTERS IN ALL SWING STATES]:
- Yes: 54%
- No: 44%
- Don’t know/Refused: 2%
These are ridiculous yet actually believable numbers given who’s in the sample and considering what passes for political coverage in this country.
It’s also important to remember that there’s an entire right wing media ecosystem in the United States and beyond devoted to making Donald Trump look good and either ignoring or making excuses for his un-American, frightening platform of fascism. It consists of Rupert Murdoch’s FNC, AM right wing talk radio, podcasts like the one Steve Bannon puts out, and websites like Breitbart and TownHall.
Biden and Harris, on the other hand, don’t have a fawning media apparatus at their disposal producing nonstop flattering coverage. The small progressive media ecosystem that America has does not cover Biden and Harris the way right wing media fawningly and obediently covers Trump. On any given day, a progressive publication could be either criticizing or praising the administration — or perhaps even both, depending on what the topics being covered are.
For example, Biden’s decision two years ago to renominate Jerome Powell to be Fed Chair — a decision that has resulted in American monetary policy remaining in the hands of a Donald Trump appointee with divergent priorities from those of Biden’s — was (justifiably) criticized by many progressive media outlets.
Donald Trump knows a lot about how the media operates and constantly uses that knowledge to his advantage. Trump is at the same time both a person and a persona created and sustained by the mass media. Regardless of your idelogical views, you’ve likely noticed that Trump the person is able to stay stupid, false, and harmful things all of the time without Trump the persona taking too many hits.
Any objective analysis of what is known about Donald Trump, including reports from former underlings who observed him directly, can’t support the conclusion that he has the mental sharpness to be an effective president. Unlike eight years ago, when the possibility of Trump in the Oval Office was still a hypothetical, we have a record of words and deeds to go on. It’s frighteningly awful.
Yet, a majority of voters in this research project think Trump has mental sharpeness that Biden lacks. Republicans were oversampled, but still.
Don’t let polls get you down: reframe if you want to be an effective activist, candidate, or leader who will help save American democracy from fascism in 2024
In Thinking Points, a handbook he wrote with the Rockridge Institute, progressive linguist George Lakoff made the important point that true leaders don’t follow polls. Rather, they lead people to new positions, for that is what leadership is.
That timeless lesson is applicable here.
Saving American democracy from fascism in 2024 is achievable and worth doing. Anyone who wants to make a positive contribution to the cause must be willing to reframe and allocate whatever they have to give wisely.
At NPI, we are fond of the maxim that fretting is like sitting in a rocking chair — it gives you something to do, but it doesn’t get you anywhere.
Figure out how to channel any anxiety you are feeling after seeing these polls into something useful, and you will have just undertaken a very worthwhile exercise for next year. Practice now so you can be the activist you want to be in 2024.
We have choices with respect to how we spend our time, our treasure, and our talents. We are not required to think about the 2024 election using the deeply problematic frames that the mass media use. We have the freedom to reframe — and we must use that freedom so that we can realize our collective potential in 2024. Reframing is the key to getting in gear for the presidential election.
If we lead, the credible polling will eventually follow. The research, media, and messaging we need are not going to magically appear of their own accord. We must build the necessary political infrastructure to save American democracy and not only deploy it for 2024, but keep it going beyond the election, for success will mean more elections in the years to come.
We at NPI will keep doing our part, and we invite you to support us. Make a one time donation here or become a member — it will make a difference!
5 Comments
Yours is the ONLY email I’ve received from a progressive outlet (and I subscribe to a bunch) that explains in basic terms what is going on in politics. Thank you!
Thank you for this as I went to the Siena website and read the poll questions and answers and, as with all the polling out there, the sampling is too small, the questions difficult for the average person to understand and answer and the process very laborious. I have been polled twice by Rasmussen on my landline and found the time it took to go through each question in order to answer (how concerned are you about illegal immigration at the southern border 1 for extremely, 2 for somewhat, 3 for slightly and 4 for not at all..well, everyone is concerned about illegal anything therefore the answers are always skewed to being concerned) is designed to support a certain point of view. Siena is a Catholic School with a ton of debt… does that influence their right wing leanings?
It would be helpful if you provided benchmarks for what you believe a rep sample would be versus what was in the poll. I too initially questioned the results, but I cannot pinpoint where the benchmarks would be off to suggest oversampling of Republicans (would be first time in history a NYT poll oversampled Republicans).
What I do see in the data is that the 18–29 year-old vote thinks Biden is too old, recognizes Trump was more successful on the economy and foreign police and essentially wants to break Republican.
I also see 6–7% of the electorate potentially staying at home, which is not unheard of, a similar % (I think 5%) staying home is what doomed Hillary in 2016.
Finally, the male-female gender gap still exists (favorable for Democrats, a problem for Republicans) but it is a much narrower gap and within the range Republicans need it to be to win.
Taken together, those numbers are not about Republican or Democrat — they are about Joe Biden and the economic pain that 18–29 year-olds have endured over the past 3 years and their prospects for the future.
Just as Jimmy Carter stagflation gave us young Republicans and Reagan conservatives, the unique combination of chaos and misery that have been the Biden years may present a similar opportunity.
It is not clear from the poll that 18–29 year-olds will break for Trump, but it is clear they want to vote for a Republican.
If I am a Democrat reading the poll, then it suggests that the same old playbook of going hard for abortion is the ticket to rile up women, drive up the gender gap, potentially turnout voters and win.
The risk in that is if you are still talking about abortion in 2024 while voters, particularly those 18–29 who grew up in the smallest generation in American history and have real economic challenges, have real problems, you risk sounding tone deaf and not offering solutions.
Perhaps most troubling for Democrats is the fact that this poll suggests real campaigning will be needed by Biden to turn the tide and win the race. He was not mentally or physically capable of that in 2020, why would he be able to do it in 2024?
The problem isn’t the sample size, it’s the bias. And the questions about what people believe about Biden and Trump show how bad this is. Trump never had a 51% approval rating while in office, but we’re supposed to believe he’s reached that level now, even while he’s facing multiple prosecutions around the country?
Meanwhile, in every special election in the past two years, the left has outpaced expectations. It’s starting to feel like the pollsters are trying to prop up the Republicans.
To Brian S. — I would have had several responses to your comments, which I was thinking skewed pro-Republican, and then I got to your last sentence: “He [Biden] was not mentally or physically capable of that [“win the race”] in 2020, why would he be able to do it in 2024?” You are aware that Biden did in fact win in 2020, aren’t you ? Or are you just an election denier ?